Critics… there are a million of them. Seems like it anyway.
And when you are starting out in the world of professional photography, getting good, really good critique on your work is very important. Getting poor, or mis-guided critique can be damaging to the progress of your book.
We want to find out what others think about our work, right? And hopefully by doing that we can see what we are doing right or wrong, correct it and become instantly wildly successful. OK… maybe just a little more successful.
But that critique must be tailored to what we need to hear. It shouldn’t and cannot be sugar-coated sweetness designed to not hurt our feelings, nor should it be harsh and overly critical with tones of jealousy and envy. And it should come from a place of knowledge, real knowledge about the work being criticized.
Now with the web we have the ability to have our work criticized by experts all over the world. And also, of course those with no clue at all, but they live on forums where they suck up the ‘lingo’.
So the question we answer first is: Is all criticism, from anyone, important?
No. It isn’t. Not at all.
Criticism from people who are not knowledgeable on what you are doing, the genre of the work, the history and legacy of that genre, and what you are trying to achieve is simply not worth listening to. Or asking for. It can be frustrating for some, and a source of irritation to others, to be critiqued by those with no understanding of the work, and it enlightens the photographer not at all.
Posting your work to places like zoomr, flickr and other photo ‘sharing’ sites and looking for critique is asking for people who have no clue to say things about your work that have no meaning for you. Good or bad. And the work doesn’t have to be good to get a ton of wonderful comments and critiques. At the time of this writing this photograph has 550 “wow” comments on Flickr (SFW unless you work with idiots). Think about that the next time you go looking for criticism on some internet forum. (I do not link to that image to make fun of it, and it is absolutely certain that the image is not put out there as art or serious photography. The point is that on Flickr the image is ‘popular’ and totally capable of getting hundreds if not thousands of ‘comments’. If you are thinking that popular means you are a great shooter… well, think again.)
“Dude, rockin’ color…” means what to an emerging photographer? That the color was, uh, ‘rockin’? Substantially more must be involved when doing a critique of your work.
If you are a fashion photographer looking for serious critique, I would make sure that the people who are critiquing your work know who Patrick, Arthur, Albert, Annie, Helmut, Richard, and Peter are. If you need the last names, you probably aren’t a fashion photographer anyway. Even if the names are not the ‘new’ shooters, I can tell you that everyone in fashion knows who they are. Everyone.
And if you are working toward a ‘snapshot’ style reminiscent of Shore and Eggleston, wouldn’t you want someone who knows what that means to critique your work. Someone who understands the aesthetic? Someone who won’t say… ‘dude, looks like a snapshot’.
Yes, we have been told that everybody has a right to their opinion. I get that. No problem. But not every opinion has the same weight or value. I do not look for the opinions of people who are not involved in what I do for guidance. If I was a consumer product looking for mass appeal, yeah… I would probably go for ‘mass appeal’ opinions. But I am not, and we are not. We are looking for criticism from the heart, passed through the brain for filtering. The filter is the most important part.
How to get Great Critiques.
Ask the right people. Ask the right people for recommendations of more right people. If you don’t know the right people, find out who they are. You do have to do some research. There are photography consultants, portfolio consultants, gallery owners, editors, other photographers, designers who can work with you to develop your work by critiquing what you are doing. You have to dig to find them.
And sometimes they will do it cause they love to, and sometimes they will do it for a fee. Either way can help or harm you if you haven’t done your research well. And both ways should be considered.
When looking for someone to critique your work, from consultant to buddy, make sure they have skills to offer to help that process go smoothly. Have they done it before? Do they do it often enough to be good at it? Are they offering constructive criticism or is it ‘this sucks, this sucks, this sucks…” sort of college art class crap? Will they offer guidance to help make your work stronger?
If I was seeking advice on how to get into a fine art gallery, I would make sure the critic had knowledge, real knowledge, about that tricky endeavor. If fashion is your thing, make damn sure the consultant has some real working knowledge of the fashion industry and what is hot/not to get your work ready. Same with industrial, corporate, architectural… whatever. Good photographic consultants can help you get your work ready faster than most any process I know of… but you have to be ready.
(Personal story. Back in the early 80’s I had the pleasure of working for one of the most hardass AD’s in the region. He would cajole, yell, pout, and be so obnoxious as to make you want to put the dark slide down and leave. He also helped me make some outstanding, and award winning, images. I realized one day that all that bluster was to get the people who he was working with to do it better and better and better. We spent two days on a bar of soap on a sink. Final shot was simply astounding… and that is what he was after.
I asked him to critique my book one afternoon and he told me to bring all the images that I had thought about putting in my book, my book, and images that I loved but thought had no place in my book.
I almost canceled it three times, but the day we did it he blended hardnosed critique with pure love of the business and I left there with a new book, and some hard things to think about. Very next time my book was called in, I got the job immediately upon showing it. The book kept growing and I can still hear his voice, and his demanding determination for excellence, when I am working on new stuff.)
More after the jump…
Present the work in a cohesive form.
I get calls and emails to critique work many times a month. “See my flickr site and can you give me some advice.” “Can you take a look at my web site and crit my shots?” Well, actually, no… I cannot do that. We have to narrow it down a bit. And set some ground rules.
I always have the following criteria for anyone wanting a critique from me:
- Tell me why you want ME to look at your images. Because of what I do, and how I do it – or because I have a web site? (HINT: number two don’t cut it.)
- OK: Put 20 pictures into a “set” at flickr, or a gallery at whatever site you are using.
- Better: put 20 images into a folder, zip it up and send it to me.
- Number them in the order you are currently using (1.jpg, 2.jpg etc)
- Tell me what you are trying to accomplish with the images.
- Share your photographic business mission statement with me.
- Briefly tell me where you are level wise in your business – starting out, thinking about starting out, etc…
- Agree that you understand I am not going to give you anything but my opinion.
I can tell you that only 2 or so out of every 10 requests will honor what I have asked them to do. Other people who critique work will have different criteria. Consultants I have known have asked for all sorts of things. Remember that it is important to their process for you to bring and do what they ask of you.
How to Take Criticism:
Understand that if you have done the research, prepared your work for presentation, and opened your mind to receive what is being offered, it can be a wonderful experience. A good consultant will deliver the news you need to hear… and while it may not be what you want to hear, remember our flickr post above.
Listen to the critic and make notes. If asked, offer insight about image and how it relates to your total offering. If questioned about something, answer with your conviction, not what you think the consultant wants to hear.
Keep an open and accepting mind. The critic is going to challenge you, lift you up, dash you on the rocks like yesterdays soup, sweep you to the edge, pull you back with acceptance… and so much more. Going in with a closed, or intellectually belligerent mindset will not help you. You must listen. You must take the information and synthesize it. If it ultimately cannot be worked into your world you either picked the wrong consultant, or have your very own, intractable way of doing things. (I will never tell anyone to not be intractable… heh. The irony of that would be thick enough to cut with a knife.)
Take the knowledge of the critique back with you and think about it. Write about it. Look through the work and then make notes and ideas on what you WILL do to initiate the advice into your work. DO IT. And with all sorts of reasons I will state again… DO IT. Do what the consultant said. Even if it is hard to implement, and you find yourself floundering a bit… yeah… that is good in many cases. From comfort, mediocrity grows at an astounding rate.
How to Give Criticism.
Know what you are discussing. Know what the work you are looking at was supposed to do. Otherwise, referring to the flickr post above, you should simply say… “wow, great composition, nice color.”
Giving criticism when you are not ready to critique may be more difficult than you think. To do it with any meaning, that is.
Without knowing what the photographer was trying to say, it is simply impossible to judge. Sharpness? Noise? Saturation? Composition? – All depend on what the artist was trying to say with the work. In a vacuum, critiquing the color can be done, but no one needs criticism that lives in a vacuum.
So find out what the intention of the photographer was. Does that work for you? Do you feel that there are things that could be stronger in the work to help get it to where the artist intended?
Tell them that.
Do not tell them what you would have done. To say that is totally and incomprehensibly stupid. We don’t know what you would have done that day with that subject and the parameters that constrained the photographer. To say that you do is totally BS. (And most of the time, when clicking to see the work of the photographer who has so much to say on what he/she would have done, the work is most often of kitties and laundry… sorry, just is.)
Do not tell the photographer that the work is “awesome” as that is probably a bit of hyperbole, and is certainly welcome on the sharing sites, but is not a critique of the work. A photographer who is asking for a critique wants to know what is wrong and what is right about the work… not that you think it is awesome. Ego stroking is not critique.
If you have nothing good to say about the image, then don’t bother. If you can see that the photographer had a good idea and didn’t carry it far enough, that is fine. But image bashing is also not critique. If there is nothing of value in the work, pass on the critique. Telling someone that they suck totally is not as helpful as letting them know that while they are not ready, there are places to go to get their work up to a level that could be acceptable. I generally send them to several blogs and sites that can help them get their work to the next level. I want to be helpful, but sometimes pointing out what is needed is help in itself.
Learning to critique an image is one of the most important things you can do as a photographer. It will be necessary to do in your own work, and invaluable when working with others. Take your time and learn to do it well.
Bring compassion, opinion, and goodwill toward the image maker.
Leave belligerence, anger, jealousy and what you THINK a reviewer must do at home. Come prepared to help someone who is asking for help. If you think that tearing someone down will elevate you, well, you are sadly mistaken. No amount of belittling will ever bring you to a higher plane.
Conclusion:
Know what you want to accomplish.
Find the critic / consultant that can help you with your goals.
Prepare your work for the critique.
Listen to the critic with an open mind.
Take what is learned and follow through on it.
Learn how to give good, honest critique.
Remember that what we say and what we do is ultimately who we are.
Be kind, be tough, be human.
Over the years we seem to have embraced the harshness of Cowell as our level of critical discourse. Too bad. I think you can tell someone that they need work, and didn’t rise to the occasion without humiliation and colorful, but mean anecdotes. In the end, the one doing the humiliation (except on reality shows) seems all the weaker.
UPDATE: I forgot to add something I feel really strong about. Don’t offer unsolicited critique. It is rude, amateurish and quite honestly rather stupid. If you have not been asked, then you probably don’t know what the photographer was trying to do, what the legacy of the image is, where the photographer is going, what the purpose of the image is and more… way more. Wait to be asked first, then do the best you can to answer. I have seen some people have terrible experiences because of some joker deciding to ‘skool them’ on photography. Want a good ‘skoolin’, watch Judge Joe Brown. He has a pelican case.
BTW… if you really cannot think of anything ‘deep’ or ‘arty’ there is this handy link. Heh.
UPDATE 2: One more link that makes me laugh. Henri Cartier Bresson’s famous photograph “The Bicyclist” is shredded at Flickr after being added to a “delete me” critique group. All I can say is… well… there ya go.
Courtesy A Photo Editor, here is a list of photographic consultants. Here at LE, we kind of dig having Selina pop in from time to time to help the photographers who follow this site. Another wonderful site to follow is Heather Morton in Toronto.
Thanks for following along on this rant thing about criticism. I think it is important to discuss, and I look forward to a lively discussion on the comment boards. As always, if you would like to stalk… err, follow me on Twitter, or visit my site, or see my Flickr stream where you can leave really pithy comments like “you rock” and ‘duuuuuude… whoa…”, those are the links.
If you are thinking about a workshop this year, I hope you take a look at Learn to Light. We teach a totally interactive, hands on workshop. You will learn the tools of lighting in an intensive 2 day workshop.
LIke the post, gives a pretty detailed concept of crits you don’t often see, if that makes sense…. For the fine art photogs out there keep an eye on gallarey schedules for many of the bigger gallies have crit session usually a couple times a year.
Good advice. Thanks!
Great post Don. I might add that joining a professional organization like ASMP or AzPPA is a great way to find knowledgeable critics and get critiques often. I just had a review from ASMP and it was immensely successful in targeting some of the areas I need help in and gave me some good goals to go after. Some were things I already knew but needed to hear reinforced and others were ideas I just hadn’t thought much about but made perfect sense. As you mentioned it’s also better to try and get a review from someone shooting in the same realm of what you’re trying to build a book into. The membership fees are well worth the knowledge and networking gained.
Great point Matt.
ASMP, APPA, APA, local art directors clubs and similar are very good places to seek advice and critique.
This is great advice. I personally would like to find a true mentor to help me grow and to continually work with me through my evolving work. All the while providing criticism that will make me grow.
I joined PPA but need to join the Dallas PPA chapter to get more involved.
BTW…Don, I can’t wait till your next lighting seminar in Dallas or Austin! I learned a ton in Houston!
Thanks Steve.
The Houston Workshop was a blast. Thinking about an Austin or Dallas for second half of the year.
Good info, Don. I remember almost two years ago when some well-meaning knucklehead chimed in with some unsolicited (and incorrect) criticism of a shot I took at the LE workshop. I appreciated your input on it, and it really highlighted to me the difference between real critique and the run-of-the-mill flickr commentary.
By the way, I think “nice composition” gets thrown around way too much. I’d venture to say that half of the people who say that have no idea what it means. Those who understand it might be well served to take the time to describe WHY it’s good composition.
Nice writing and grammar, Don. You must have a great word-processor! :-))
Seriously, your usual excellent advice hits the mark again.
Your post is very revealing.
Thank a lot for share it 🙂
Great advice, Don, thanks!
Good article and nicely done update, Don. I actually returned to this post to add the unsolicited feedback feedback, but you’ve already added it.
I find that in general, most photographers don’t do a great job of providing valuable critiques. Photographers that have done a stint as an art director or designer usually have a more rounded view, but most photographers are honing their own craft and may not see outside of their own tunnel vision….
I’ve found that my best feedback for fine tuning my portfolio has always been watching the reviewers eyes when they’re looking at my book. Of course, if you’re too far off, you’ve blown your chance with that client….
you seem to suggest that criticism can be useful only if it comes from a person with a knowledge of the history of photography and of schools of photo art. but a photo is on its own once it leaves the photographers control and presumably is “addressed” to the world. is it not useful to discover that it is not communicating with some of the audience? if what you are trying to achieve is not apparent from the photo itself, may that not be a flaw in the photo?
I can see that if you are aiming your photo at a specialist audience, an inner circle, that you may have no reason to want to know that those outside that circle think that what you see as an artistic photo is a badly taken photo. but even then it might be of value to know that you are not communicating with the great unwashed, whether or not you wished to do so.
it may be that I am taking an extreme position – i suppose that it is not useful to know that a resident of the Amazon basin who has never before seen a photograph thinks that because your photo is two dimensional, it does not really work. but I sense some elitism in your view and not in a good sense.
naked emperors sometimes can benefit from criticism of their wardrobe even by those with no fashion sense.
Maybe.
But I think you are confusing like with critique. A crit is designed to help you understand what you are doing and whether it is the best direction to be going. It isn’t simply a I like this” – or, “I don’t get this
“…is it not useful to discover that it is not communicating with some of the audience? …”
No, it isn’t. Some work – actually most work – isn’t created for everybody. It may not be useful at all to find out that someone who is not a target of the work doesn’t like or understand it. Add to that reality the fact that no art will please everybody… ever. And we wont even get into context, perspective, relativity and the clarity of time.
You seem to have some sort of chip on your shoulder about “elitists” and “inner circles” and such. I can’t help that. I like to think of myself as not elitist at all. But if insisting that someone who wants to tell me about my work actually has something to base the critique on other than whether they like it or not.
My point is still that simply offering an opinion is not the same thing as critically examining a piece of art. You may think that people in the Amazon can tell you about something that they think about the image, but that is sort of a “so what” moment – unless you are making images for them. And even then, would their comments be a critique or a struggle to understand? And what does that really mean to the artist in his goal of getting better?
“…it may be that I am taking an extreme position –…”
Yes, seems to me that you are. More like a strawman argument. You make a false accusation that I am being elitist and then shoot down that false assertion.
There is really nothing elitist about my concerns. I am not casting dispersions on people from the Amazon who may not have any idea of what they are looking at and have comments on it.
My feeling is the same as learning math from someone who understands math, learning music from a musician, learning how to write by someone who actually writes. If that genuinely seems elitist to you, I certainly wish you well in your endeavors. But if you insist that everyone has the same value of opinion that anyone else has, I will respectfully say that I have no idea why you would think that, but – OK.
I do regret the use of “elite”. it was a poor choice of word being one that is sometimes used as a term of abuse.
I don’t think I have a chip on my shoulder at all and if I have given that impression it only detracts attention from my primary point regarding a photo – that once published it is on its own, must contain its own explanations and must have its own ability to communicate.
not all opinions are equally valuable – I agree. but neither are all artistic approaches. for example, blurring can be to achieve an effect but sometimes it does not rise above being misfocused no matter what the intent. but those who appreciate blurring to achieve an effect are the least likely to criticise misapplication of it. so outside voices can be useful – not necessarily correct but worth giving some thought to. you may value most those who are like minded but it is unwise to dismiss without consideration those who don’t share your vision.
thanks for responding to me.
Excellent article and very well-timed. Thank you!
@ljhphotography
Rockin article dude! But I would have…….
Sorry.
Thanks Don
Don,
I have been wanting to find a way to have my images critiqued in an honest and useful way for some time.
Having read your requirements I will be working on getting something together to send you very soon!
Your comments on some of my images on Flickr have always been very kind, but I KNOW there are many things I need to work on so this post comes as a much needed inspiration to me!
Thanks for all you have done/are doing/will do for the Photographic Community!
===Steven===>>
Really ,great article , i’ve studied it well ,it’s talking about what i need now , i’ was improving becaue of many courses and it seems to me i need another push ,another harsh push !!
Well , i know the name of my mentor , he was my instructor for 2 courses when i was a very biggner photographer but ,unfortunately , he just gives 2 courses , no more ,i should contact him .
For sure ,i’m going to see what do you do 🙂
Thank you so much for this effective article .
Salwa Afef